Monday 2 September 2013

2013 August - The Elephanta Suite -Paul Theroux & Song of Achilles - M. Miller


2013 August Only five of us there.

The Elephanta Suite                          - Paul Theroux

I didn't finish it. I read two of the three stories and glanced through the third. I wasn't the only one. It was a depressing book made up of three stories about different elephanta suites. In all stories Americans come to India. the first, after Mr. & Mrs each have a brief affair with an Indian they are effectively thrown out and possibly killed. In the second a business man in India becomes enthralled with a young girl, then his business partner leads him into eastern mysticism, and Dwight gives up all to pursue it, handling over the American business to Shah, who is eager to grab it. The third was about an innocent young girl in an Ashram, who tries to leave. She is bothered by a man, and lets an elephant trample him. We didn't like the three stories being seperated and thought there was no real ending to any of them.

India seems to be all sweetness and light to strangers, but we do not know what they are saying about us in their own language. There was lots of discussion about visits to India. The consensus was that it was a good portrayal of India.

The two Americans from the first story and Dwight from the second are not very nice people at all. Dwight is not good at life – he lives a sterile life.

The book is about temptation, with possibly a biblical emphasis.
  • the first story is about Adam & Eve, the second and third stories we did not discuss enough to give a biblical reference.
Perhaps this is why one of us referred to it as a sexy book, and wondered how it could possibly have been chosen for us.

We noted all the other books that we have read in the past with an Indian venue: Sari Shop, Marigold Hotel, Shantarum, Bookseller of Kabul, Passage to India, 3 Cups of Tea, 1000 Splendid suns, Sea of Poppies, - there were more-

Final comment was that we would remember the book, but not fondly.


Marks – 3.75 for four of us that had read it

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Song of Achilles                           – Madeline Miller


I copied these notes from Amazon as I felt they gave my feelings better than I could have done it: This book is very well-written and very involving in places but I did have my reservations about it. Patroclus's narrative voice is believable and gives a convincing account of his childhood misfortunes, the events which lead up to the Trojan War and the War itself. I like the depictions of characters like Odysseus and Agamemnon very much, place and mood are very well evoked, and there are some exciting and very interesting episodes. Madeline Miller is very keen to portray the relationship between Patroclus and Achilles as one of deep, enduring love, both spiritual and sexual. It is as if she wants to make homosexuality OK. Whether or not this is justified by the source texts is arguable. However, what we actually get is long, long periods where Patroclus moons around after Achilles like a love-sick puppy, to the point that I felt that the author herself was the one in love with Achilles and wasn't going to miss an opportunity to write a beautifully constructed sentence about his muscles, his hair, the curve of his chin or the soles of his feet (which seem to hold an endless fascination for her) and so on, which I eventually found almost unendurably tedious in places.

We liked the historical side and the godliness though mixing of gods and humans disturbed some. In general the love story between the two men was hard to take and overkilled. The Iliad itself had very lavish descriptions of the hero because it was about hero worship. Other than that comment some of us said that it made us want to read the Iliad. We wondered how Achilles could have accepted and got on living in a Harem.

It was commented that it was easier to write a novel when the story is written for you.

Marks ranged for 4 to 8, average 6

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